All four questions answered: Q1-3 RISKY (credible paths), Q4 PROVEN. WebView- BotGuard POT (YTDLnis-proven) collapses the JS-runtime problem; HLahwani/yt- dlp-android solves Q1+Q2+Q3 together. One open question remains: does WebView- POT recover anti-bot WITHOUT curl_cffi (broken on Android)? The Stage-1 prototype tests exactly that. Fallback: client-to-server app against existing web API. Update ROADMAP 3.2 with pointer to findings. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.8 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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Android Engine Feasibility — Findings
Companion to 2026-06-27-android-engine-feasibility-research.md.
Each section ends with a verdict: proven / risky / unsolved.
Q1 — yt-dlp on Android
Verdict: RISKY. yt-dlp runs on-device in shipping apps (Seal, YTDLnis,
SealPlus) — proven. But Catacomb's specific need is the asterisk: curl_cffi
TLS impersonation is documented broken on Android (yt-dlp issues #15505 Jan
2026 and #14106 aarch64 Linux), and impersonation is the exact reason Catacomb pins
nightly yt-dlp. The yt-dlp binary update story is good — youtubedl-android
(yausername) exposes UpdateChannel.NIGHTLY to pull fresh builds post-install,
no app-store release, across all four ABIs. Chaquopy is ruled out: no runtime
update path.
- Recommended mechanism: youtubedl-android (only approach with runtime nightly updates + production proof).
- Risk carried forward: the anti-bot layer (impersonation + the Deno-based bgutil POT loopback, which has no Android port) needs a rethink — feeds Q2/Q3.
- Full evidence + sources:
q1-yt-dlp-android-report.md.
Q2 — JS runtime (deno's job)
Verdict: RISKY. An external JS runtime is now a hard dependency —
yt-dlp deprecated its built-in Python jsinterp for YouTube in 2025.11.12
because YouTube's n-sig/PO-token JS exceeds what it can handle, so "no Deno on
Android" cannot be sidestepped by the pure-Python path. A concrete on-device
path exists: cross-compile QuickJS-ng via NDK (arm64-v8a, NDK 26+) and pass
--js-runtimes quickjs:/path/to/qjs; or use HLahwani/yt-dlp-android (May
2026), a purpose-built lib already embedding QuickJS via JNI across all four
ABIs (~1.6 MB AAR). It's "risky" because this is the live breakage frontier —
Seal users have hit 403/missing-format bugs since Jan 2026 on the deprecated
path.
- Recommended approach: QuickJS-ng (
--js-runtimes quickjs:...), or adopt HLahwani/yt-dlp-android which bundles it. - Note vs Q1: this newer lib may supersede youtubedl-android as the mechanism since it solves Q1+Q2 together — weigh in synthesis.
- Full evidence + sources:
q2-js-runtime-android-report.md.
Q3 — POT / Proof-of-Origin
Verdict: RISKY (the go/no-go gate — and it does NOT block).
POT is required on the mobile surface; you can't reliably skip it for a
general archiver. The shortcut clients are closing: android_vr dropped to
360p (SABR A/B, Mar 2026) and tv was removed from yt-dlp defaults after
YouTube enforced LOGIN_REQUIRED. But there is a production-proven path that is
strictly better than Catacomb's desktop design: YTDLnis (since v1.8.3, Mar
2025) runs YouTube's BotGuard JS challenge inside the Android WebView and
passes the resulting web GVS PO token to yt-dlp as an extractor arg. This
collapses Q2 and Q3 into one mechanism — the WebView is the JS runtime —
and eliminates the Deno/Node sidecar entirely.
- Recommended anti-bot approach: WebView-based BotGuard/POT generation (à la YTDLnis), no sidecar.
- Caveats: tokens are video-bound + ~12h-lived (a WebView attestation call
per download); native
android-client DroidGuard tokens remain unsolved (no open tooling outside genuine Play Services). Fragile cat-and-mouse — must track YouTube changes. - Flagged-for-device: actual token minting + a real download need a device/ WebView/Google session; not reproducible headlessly here.
- Full evidence + sources:
q3-pot-android-report.md.
Q4 — Rust core via JNI
Verdict: PROVEN (toolchain), with a verification caveat on the binding layer.
The controller ran a real cross-compile build-proof here (not recalled): the
crate's pure vtt.rs module, vendored into a minimal cdylib, compiled with
NDK r26d to both aarch64-linux-android and x86_64-linux-android .so
files for Android 34, each exporting the expected C-ABI symbol
(catacomb_spike_cue_count, defined T). A matching NDK-clang Android client
harness also built. So Rust-module → Android .so is demonstrably real.
- Module triage (controller, from the crate): cleanly portable —
vtt(pure std),autotag(pure arithmetic),error_class/platform(serde only),library(effectively). Portable-with-effort —database(rusqlite/r2d2; SQLite runs on Android). Not a clean port —fingerprint(spawnsffmpeg; needs ffmpeg-kit). The download engine modules (downloader,ytdlp_bin,pot_provider) stay off-device by design. - Recommended toolchain:
cargo-ndk+ uniffi (Kotlin codegen) over the rawjnicrate — avoids JNI signature drift past ~10 functions. (Toolchain recommendation is from desk research that hit a web rate-limit and leans on knowledge through 2025-08; treat the uniffi-vs-jni specifics as documented-but-verify. The build-proof above is hard evidence.) - Reuse vs reimplement: reuse the pure modules. Effort ~5 dev-days for a
first
.soexposing 5–6 modules to Kotlin. - Run-proof status: on-device dlopen+call was blocked by the sandbox reaping the emulator (a harness limitation, not an Android/Rust one); downgraded per plan to symbol-export verification, which passed. The full dlopen+invoke is deferred to the Stage-1 prototype.
- Full evidence + sources:
q4-rust-jni-android-report.md.
Synthesis — go / no-go
Overall verdict: GO, with one qualification. A standalone on-device download engine is credible enough to prototype, but one open question remains that the prototype must answer before a full build commitment.
Question → Verdict table
| Question | Verdict | One-line reason |
|---|---|---|
| Q1 — yt-dlp on Android | RISKY | yt-dlp runs, but curl_cffi TLS impersonation is broken on Android (#15505). |
| Q2 — JS runtime | RISKY | External JS runtime now mandatory (Python jsinterp deprecated 2025.11.12). |
| Q3 — POT | RISKY (not blocking) | POT required on mobile, but WebView-BotGuard is production-proven (YTDLnis) and collapses Q2. |
| Q4 — Rust core via JNI | PROVEN | Pure modules cross-compile to Android .so (build-proof run locally). |
Decision logic
All four questions are at worst "risky with a credible path," and no question is "unsolved" in a way that blocks a prototype. Q3's WebView path is the key: it eliminates the Deno/Node sidecar and provides the JS runtime natively, materially reducing Q2's risk. The single blocking worry from Q1 is curl_cffi — TLS impersonation is broken on Android, and that's Catacomb's primary anti-bot mechanism on desktop. However, Q3's web GVS PO token generated via WebView may restore anti-bot access without curl_cffi (the desktop path uses curl_cffi because it lacks a real browser context; the WebView is one). This specific question — does WebView-BotGuard + web PO recover YouTube without curl_cffi? — was not resolved by desk research and must be answered by a Stage-1 prototype.
Recommended next sub-project
Stage-1 Android engine prototype (scoped, ~2–3 weeks):
- Adopt HLahwani/yt-dlp-android (May 2026) as the on-device yt-dlp mechanism — it bundles QuickJS (Q2), exposes a NIGHTLY update channel (Q1), and is designed for WebView-POT integration (Q3). This is the single-library path that solves Q1+Q2+Q3 together.
- Prototype a WebView-BotGuard token mint (à la YTDLnis) and pass the web GVS PO token to yt-dlp. Test against real YouTube downloads on a real device (the sandbox emulator cannot run this). The critical test: does this recover full-format access without curl_cffi?
- Compile a small Rust
.soexposing 2–3 pure modules (vtt, error_class, platform) viacargo-ndk+ uniffi, and call them from a minimal Kotlin harness. Prove the JNI bridge works (Q4 run-proof, currently sandbox-blocked). - If the anti-bot test fails (curl_cffi still required, or WebView-POT is
insufficient), pivot to the fallback: a client-to-server Android app that
browses/downloads against Catacomb's existing web API (the
remote.rspath) and revisit standalone later. The WebAPI path is already proven.
Fallback / risk acknowledgment
The "risky" verdicts are real: YouTube continues tightening non-web surfaces (android_vr → 360p, tv → LOGIN_REQUIRED), and the WebView approach is part of that cat-and-mouse game. The Stage-1 prototype is the honest way to discover whether the current path holds. If it doesn't, the client-to-server fallback is no failure — it's shipping a useful app that leverages what Catacomb already has.
Status: research spike complete. Gate passed to Stage-1 prototype.